I have ADD. Looking to replace stimulants (Adderall and Vyvanse) with nootropics because they make me feel shitty. I've done some research already. So far it seems that Modafinil is my best rout, although it requires a prescription which I'm not sure I can get. Don't want to do Adrafinil because I'm looking for something to take regularly for school and don't want to fuck my liver.
Modafinil seems to be the only thing strong enough to effectively drop the amphetamines for to me so far.
I need something like the stimulants to get myself to focus. Especially after taking them for the majority of my life. It's pretty difficult to function without them. Stuff like caffeine and Theanine doesn't cut it.
And I don't drink soda or eat fast food more than a couple of times a month at most. And I just cut sugar out completely.
The only times I really get anxiety or depression is when I'm on amphetamines. It's one of the many reasons why I'm trying to get off of them.
I'm looking for any and all benefits really. But my primary concern is focus and general cognitive function improvement that will be significant enough for me to not need the amphetamines.
I considered stuff like Alpha Brain as a starter, or just trying L-tyrosine, but from what I read, the affect they have is too subtle to be a viable replacement.
And of course there's always the tried and true caffeine/theanine combo.
The best combatant imo for dealing with a "narrow bandwidth" sensory input is to keep it running at peak condition. That means a consistent diet that covers the basic stuff like hydration, protein and amino acids. Without that you don't benefit from more subtle regimen drugs and have to resort to stimulants.
You should also cut out stuff like soda and fast food. Corn syrup and artificial sweeteners are doing you zero favors if you consume those in large amounts daily like most people do.
not the biggest deal except that with premades you have zero ability to determine which ingredient that is.
tyrosine is great for my dopamine levels and far from subtle is you take enough, but it can also cause me dopamine burnout and headaches
Not so much you are high. Lol
I find I have a bell curve with stimulants:
-No stimulants (Adderall, Vyvanse e.t.c.) : distracted by everything, anxiety, irregular heartbeat, cant sleep.
-Not enough: stimulants make me sleepy
-Correct amount : not distracted by every sound or shadow of light. But also the room looks brighter. Heart rate regular, reduced anxiety.
-Too much: high heart rate, anxiety, cant sleep.
And of course there's always the tried and true caffeine/theanine combo.
The best combatant imo for dealing with a "narrow bandwidth" sensory input is to keep it running at peak condition. That means a consistent diet that covers the basic stuff like hydration, protein and amino acids. Without that you don't benefit from more subtle regimen drugs and have to resort to stimulants.
You should also cut out stuff like soda and fast food. Corn syrup and artificial sweeteners are doing you zero favors if you consume those in large amounts daily like most people do.
I'm looking for any and all benefits really. But my primary concern is focus and general cognitive function improvement that will be significant enough for me to not need the amphetamines.
I considered stuff an alternative like Alpha Brain as a starter, or just trying L-tyrosine, but from what I read, the affect they have is too subtle to be a viable replacement.
As of now I'm planning on just asking my doctor if he'll prescribe Modafinil. But I think they're only supposed to do that for narcolepsy, so he may not want to.
not the biggest deal except that with premades you have zero ability to determine which ingredient that is.
tyrosine is great for my dopamine levels and far from subtle is you take enough, but it can also cause me dopamine burnout and headaches
I also just don't feel like taking something that is toxic. I doubt taking it for so long throughout my life is without eventual issues.
Although, there are many variations of stacks that can provide the elevation in focus, concentration and energy, I can't say there is one particular noot that emulates Vyvanse or Adderall.
It also comes down to preference and your particular brain chemistry. Sometimes, people that type of response is "dodging" the "real" answer because they don't know. However, it's the truth.
I have found different stacks that provide similar effects to ADHD stimulant meds, but since you can control that stack, you can also help diminish certain side effects or feelings from the prescriptions that you may not prefer. For example I have found that CILTEP with Caffeine, alpha GPC, bacopa, and vinpocetine provides a nice stream-lined focus that has helped me with ADHD symptoms. I've been diagnosed for the majority of my life. Of course, if you are sensitive to the caffeine, you can either eliminate it altogether or add a noot like Picamilon to help reduce the anxiety.
It's a great topic you bring up because as someone with ADHD, I've done a LOT of experimenting with alternative ADHD a treatments, which was the motivation behind creating my site. I've found that the right changes to diet, routine, meditation and nootropic supplementation has actually been more effective in helping me manage my ADHD a symptoms on a day-to-day basis.
Surprised Vyvanse is more expensive than Modafinil AND Adrafinil?? I heard it's extremely expensive.
I'd like to hear what types of stacks have helped others with ADD/ADHD, too. All the best!
In other words, Phenylpiracetam or CILTEP or "x or y stack" may not "feel" the same way as Adderall or Vyvanase, but they can help with improving focus, concentration, learning capabilities, etc.
Unfortunately, there are people out there who just feel like, "if it's not exactly the same as Adderall, but not actually Adderall and that I can buy without a prescription, it must not work!"
And stay away from noopept. Long term users end up with permanent brain fog without it. Sunifiram will boost the stimulant effect of adrafinil or modafinil and though there seems to be less research speaking from years of experience with nootropics and reading the Russian literature translated, noopept was never meant to be an every day supplement but used in cycles by the Russians.
Best racetam for energy by far phenyl-piracetam. But it's only good to use every other day or you will find yourself taking 1600 mgs a day for effects. Adrafinil will always work at 900 and I've been using modafinil with great success for some time and never had to go above 400mg.