Alternative to Adderall and Vyvanse?

adrafinil is still good if you need a fast acting focus drug periodically. I take 100mg 5-htp before bed (with no added B6) and 10-20mg of noopept daily on a cycle to help with my ADHD.

And of course there's always the tried and true caffeine/theanine combo.

The best combatant imo for dealing with a "narrow bandwidth" sensory input is to keep it running at peak condition. That means a consistent diet that covers the basic stuff like hydration, protein and amino acids. Without that you don't benefit from more subtle regimen drugs and have to resort to stimulants.

You should also cut out stuff like soda and fast food. Corn syrup and artificial sweeteners are doing you zero favors if you consume those in large amounts daily like most people do.

don't waste your money on alpha brain. or any premade stack for that matter. you pay twice as much and could have a bad reaction to just one of the ingredients.

not the biggest deal except that with premades you have zero ability to determine which ingredient that is.

tyrosine is great for my dopamine levels and far from subtle is you take enough, but it can also cause me dopamine burnout and headaches

I've been making a tea this last week with 350mg's green tea extract, 2000mg's Damania powder with 150mg Mucana P. (L-Dopa 98%), tastes earthy but works great. Watched a 160 minute movie last night sitting straight through with no problem, I cannot recall ever doing that before.

I've been making a tea this last week with 350mg's green tea extract, 2000mg's Damania powder with 150mg Mucana P. (L-Dopa 98%), tastes earthy but works great. Watched a 160 minute movie last night sitting straight through with no problem, I cannot recall ever doing that before.

Vyvanse is a very dangerous medication. Bad thing is they hand that shit out like candy to the kiddies. Watched **** yr old go pretty manic trying to quit for summer vacation. Never put **** back on it either. I would rather teach to cope then medicate with such a strong substance. I tried 2, reminded me of good long lasting speed.

Im assuming it has to do with the selegiline.. Because sele potentiates amphetamines like crazy... Ive taken ritalin on and off sele and its far more enjoyable with sele

I feel adderall messed up my energy levels also. I was put on them in 3rd grade till 12 grade just seems i dont have much energy unless i take a kratom .. Kratom has sure helped my daily life in many ways. But i am always looking for a better stimulant thats not meth based. If i could find something that makes me feel like mdma makes me feel that would just be awsome. Mdma makes me do a happy dance. :) but not legal. :(

bruh. agmatine, memantine, magnesium are essentials for any psychoactive drug use to mitigate tolerance. we need more compounds bought bulk synthesis specifically to control tolerance. (neramexane, proglumide, nk1 antagonists for example) with tolerance knocked out, dependence can be knocked out, risks drop drastically, biohacking gains credibility and we further knowledge. a big fck you to classic pharmacology

Adderall alternatives. I had an addiction to amps and ritalin 5 years ago which was mostly caused by the ridiculous tolerance buildup spiraling out of control, even with small doses (10mg) the duration would shorten and the effect would weaken everyday. With PEA, this has never happened except if I take more than 200mg in the entire day (i never take more than 100mg in a dose and wait until I can no longer feel it whatsoever before taking more, usually a couple hours atleast) I might wake up slightly more tired the next day. I took it for over 2 months this way and when I ran out I only experienced mild fatigue and less-than-optimal concentration\motivation, not dissimilar of when I stop my Huperzine A or Noopept cycles. IMO this is very minor in comparison to the effects it gives. Euphoria kicks in full blast at around 140mg and this will be accompanied by a mild (yet noticeable) very short crash. If you feel euphoria, you're taking TOO MUCH and it will come back to bite you later on. I personally hate the feelings of "coming down" due to my past addiction, so I avoid it all together. If the roller coaster never goes up, it never comes down! DUHHH I wish I would have known that before highschool... Keep the dosages and dosing schedule controlled and this is the most sustainable and forgiving of all stimulants IMO and trust me I've tried every stimulant nootropic under the sun except weird shit like amfonelic acid, PMPD, prolintane and the afinils (which I might consider trying some day, to see how it compares to PEA + full MAO inhibition).

You should be taking enough to make you feel normal.
Not so much you are high. Lol

I find I have a bell curve with stimulants:
-No stimulants (Adderall, Vyvanse e.t.c.) : distracted by everything, anxiety, irregular heartbeat, cant sleep.

-Not enough: stimulants make me sleepy

-Correct amount : not distracted by every sound or shadow of light. But also the room looks brighter. Heart rate regular, reduced anxiety.

-Too much: high heart rate, anxiety, cant sleep.

PEA with selegiline at 60-80mg is the correct amount. Reduces anxiety, increased focus, no jitters or any heart rate problems whatsoever. The fact that it influences serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine positively makes it extremely well balanced. It's the only true monoaminergic stimulant I feel like using and also the safest one (aside from the classics caffeine and nicotine) when using MAOI's moclo + seleg since it's potency can be safely increased 10 times and your doses will be between 50 and 100mg which is easy to work with, unlike most stims which will be in the microgram range with 10x potentiation making it difficult to be accurate with dosages. PEA always lets me sleep well.

adrafinil is still good if you need a fast acting focus drug periodically. I take 100mg 5-htp before bed (with no added B6) and 10-20mg of noopept daily on a cycle to help with my ADHD.

And of course there's always the tried and true caffeine/theanine combo.

The best combatant imo for dealing with a "narrow bandwidth" sensory input is to keep it running at peak condition. That means a consistent diet that covers the basic stuff like hydration, protein and amino acids. Without that you don't benefit from more subtle regimen drugs and have to resort to stimulants.

You should also cut out stuff like soda and fast food. Corn syrup and artificial sweeteners are doing you zero favors if you consume those in large amounts daily like most people do.

There are many kinds of AD(H)D. Do you believe your prefrontal cortex to be underpowered? Do you also snuggle with anxiety or depression? I regularly see people getting anxiolytic effects of nootropics, and cholinergics/racetams supporting memory, but I think you'll want to focus on what specific effects you're looking for. If your psychiatrist is willing to prescribe stimulants, there should be no reason they wouldn't prescribe Provigil, though in my experience it wasn't a wonderdrug and promotes wakefulness. Though I've recently gotten 4k of advanced radiological brain scans that showed the ADHD diagnosis I was given 25 years ago wasn't substantiated because my PFC is operating too well. Some folks like to take Tyrosine for the PFC support. But you'll want to narrow down which brain regions are overactive or underactive, so you can self-medicate more accurately. One of the main researches in the field to redefine and specify ADD in the brain is Daniel Amen whose books and online resources could prove helpful, though you'll have to dig a bit as much of it is proprietary and he sells through his clinics.

The only times I really get anxiety or depression is when I'm on amphetamines such as adderall and vyvanse. It's one of the many reasons why I'm trying to get off of them.

I'm looking for any and all benefits really. But my primary concern is focus and general cognitive function improvement that will be significant enough for me to not need the amphetamines.

I considered stuff an alternative like Alpha Brain as a starter, or just trying L-tyrosine, but from what I read, the affect they have is too subtle to be a viable replacement.

As of now I'm planning on just asking my doctor if he'll prescribe Modafinil. But I think they're only supposed to do that for narcolepsy, so he may not want to.

don't waste your money on alpha brain. or any premade stack for that matter. you pay twice as much and could have a bad reaction to just one of the ingredients.

not the biggest deal except that with premades you have zero ability to determine which ingredient that is.

tyrosine is great for my dopamine levels and far from subtle is you take enough, but it can also cause me dopamine burnout and headaches

Same problem here. Never tried Adderall or Vyvanse though. Modafinil seems to work fine for me. Just ordered some NAC too. Ill try it and say how it worked.

I've been making a tea this last week with 350mg's green tea extract, 2000mg's Damania powder with 150mg Mucana P. (L-Dopa 98%), tastes earthy but works great. Watched a 160 minute movie last night sitting straight through with no problem, I cannot recall ever doing that before.

Cycle phenylpiracrtam in as well, maybe stack it with some green tea and choline. To me this is much better than adderall

I used Adderal for 10 years. Switched to Vyvanse a couple of years ago. I do like it more. But I just don't enjoy the tense speedy feel it gives. Makes my heart rate go crazy and sometimes irregular. It also fucks with my digestion and makes me neurotic. I get obsessive and twitchy.

I also just don't feel like taking something that is toxic. I doubt taking it for so long throughout my life is without eventual issues.

Vyvanse is a very dangerous medication. Bad thing is they hand that shit out like candy to the kiddies. Watched **** yr old go pretty manic trying to quit for summer vacation. Never put **** back on it either. I would rather teach to cope then medicate with such a strong substance. I tried 2, reminded me of good long lasting speed.

Haven't tried Vyvanse or Adderall before, but it seems like everyone on it is obsessed with it. From what I hear, it's like a higher quality and expensive version of Adderall and I believe also developed by Shire (like pretty much every other ADHD medication). They have a virtual monopoly on the market.

Although, there are many variations of stacks that can provide the elevation in focus, concentration and energy, I can't say there is one particular noot that emulates Vyvanse or Adderall.

It also comes down to preference and your particular brain chemistry. Sometimes, people that type of response is "dodging" the "real" answer because they don't know. However, it's the truth.

I have found different stacks that provide similar effects to ADHD stimulant meds, but since you can control that stack, you can also help diminish certain side effects or feelings from the prescriptions that you may not prefer. For example I have found that CILTEP with Caffeine, alpha GPC, bacopa, and vinpocetine provides a nice stream-lined focus that has helped me with ADHD symptoms. I've been diagnosed for the majority of my life. Of course, if you are sensitive to the caffeine, you can either eliminate it altogether or add a noot like Picamilon to help reduce the anxiety.

It's a great topic you bring up because as someone with ADHD, I've done a LOT of experimenting with alternative ADHD a treatments, which was the motivation behind creating my site. I've found that the right changes to diet, routine, meditation and nootropic supplementation has actually been more effective in helping me manage my ADHD a symptoms on a day-to-day basis.

Surprised Vyvanse is more expensive than Modafinil AND Adrafinil?? I heard it's extremely expensive.

I'd like to hear what types of stacks have helped others with ADD/ADHD, too. All the best!

Phenylpiracetam is definitely a noot I had a good experience using, too. However, I'm always careful telling people it's the "same as adderall" or any other type of prescription medication because it's so subjective. What I CAN say with confidence is that you can address and potentially help alleviate many of the same symptoms that those medications help people manage.

In other words, Phenylpiracetam or CILTEP or "x or y stack" may not "feel" the same way as Adderall or Vyvanase, but they can help with improving focus, concentration, learning capabilities, etc.

Unfortunately, there are people out there who just feel like, "if it's not exactly the same as Adderall, but not actually Adderall and that I can buy without a prescription, it must not work!"

Coming from Vyvanse and Adderall racetams will do nothing for you. First you must take a step to modafinil. This requires prescription but adrafinil does not and converts to modafinil in your system. Stopping Vyvanse, being such a powerful narcotic is going to require the most powerful nootropic alternative available. Otherwise you will have withdrawal from the amphetamines. I'd take 900 MG of adrafinil and 200 of phenyl-piracetam. This will take the place of Vyvanse without any noticable difference except lack of amphetamines euphoria. But you will be wide open and focused. It's a step in the right direction. Once you see the adrafinil works for you talk to your doctor and tell him you want off the narcotics and wish to try modafinil and let him know adrafinil worked for you but all research shows modafinil to be the safer option since it does not have to be converted by the liver. If you eBay limitless Adrafinil, closest thing to NZT, limitless reddit, there is a bottle of limitless brand for 70 bucks for 90 capsules. You won't find it cheaper anywhere on the Internet. And quality is top notch. Phenyl-piracetam also available from same seller bidding starting at 20 bucks for 5 grams which can be split into 25, 200mg doses. The phenyl-piracetam builds tolerance quickly so only take every other day. The adrafinil will work alone but phenyl-piracetam will add a much needed cognitive boost, extra focus and enhanced memory recall. Piracetam will not work immediately coming off Vyvanse and honestly may never work right for you as your body has adjusted to much stronger stimulants. Good news is modafinil is safe long term and I've known people to take adrafinil for years without having liver issues. Honestly the danger is overblown. Tylenol or alcohol is much worse than adrafinil and I can't imagine your doctor not switching you to non Narcotic modafinil if the adrafinil which works exactly the same way works for you. Good luck and I hope this info was honest and helpful. I kind of made it my mission to switch people from narcotics to nootropics due to by 6 year old nephew being prescribed focalin. I'm sure if you wanted to slowly taper to racetams it may be possible but if not modafinil and adrafinil are quite safe. Moda being best option of the two and will help you live a longer life without sacrificing the adhd and add benefits of afinals
And stay away from noopept. Long term users end up with permanent brain fog without it. Sunifiram will boost the stimulant effect of adrafinil or modafinil and though there seems to be less research speaking from years of experience with nootropics and reading the Russian literature translated, noopept was never meant to be an every day supplement but used in cycles by the Russians.

Best racetam for energy by far phenyl-piracetam. But it's only good to use every other day or you will find yourself taking 1600 mgs a day for effects. Adrafinil will always work at 900 and I've been using modafinil with great success for some time and never had to go above 400mg.